Chode Wars

[jshrk]

Intro:

Here is an RSD post I read awhile ago, and alot of this still applies to me. I am planning to go out three times a week and will pick one point off of this post to work on every night. Tantra Tuesday will be going for numbers night - stay tuned.

Joe


Hi there. I am a chode.

I don't go for location change within the venue with every girl I approach because I think it's not going well enough.

I don't try to extract every girl that I approach out of the venue because I think it's not going well enough.

I don't try to kiss and initiate kino with every girl I approach because I think it's not going well enough.

...I tried these things a few times, but the girls said 'no'.. So I figured it would be better not to try unless I was more sure that they'd be OK with it.. I think a lot about these things...

I don't have a way to initiate kino or kissing other than just waiting until it feels right.

I don't go for numbers with every girl I approach because I think the approach has to be "solid" for her not to flake me.

I don't get an average of 15 to 30 numbers a week like a normal guy as a result. Gurus say they only get 2 numbers a week to get laid, and I think I'm at that level.

I don't keep track of the girls numbers that I took when I got home, by writing down a sentence or two worth of details, so I can't remember which number belongs to which girl.

I don't have any idea of what I would do with a girl if she came out for a day2.

I don't have a plan of where I would extract a girl to if she agreed to leave the club with me. I figure I'd just say "Let's go back to my place." I don't know what I should push for.

I don't call and follow up hard with every girl whose number I get, and refuse to go out until I have called and left messages with every number on my list. I just go out and gather more numbers, instead of viewing going out as a reward for already having called all my numbers.

I give up on a girl if she doesn't call back first time.

I give up on a girl if she doesn't agree to a second meet the first time.

I don't use the girls who are flaking me as a chance to practise my conversational skills when they pickup the phone. In fact, I'm not a good conversationalist on the phone because I don't get enough practise at it.

I don't realize that most girls you approach will give you their number regardless of if it went well or not, and even if I do realize it I figure that it's wood anyway so I don't try.

I don't try to isolate every girl that I go on day 2s with.

I don't have even have a plan of how to get a girl isolated, such as something at my house to give a reason to go back there.

I don't carry condoms with me when I go out because it isn't in my reality that I can get laid.

I don't understand what a cool guy looks like, because I walk around in a chode trance all day instead of looking at all the cool people around me and thinking about what makes them cool.

I think that only PUAs are cool, and that I can't learn from all the more normal people I'm seeing all the time because they aren't "sargers" and I can't distinguish what a naturally compelling personality looks like.

I don't identify with cool people, and even dislike them because I think they're conceited.

I view every interaction as a chance to take value from people. When I read posts, I complain that I didn't get the details that I wanted or that the paragraphs weren't right or that it was too short or long. When I talk to bouncers, I just want to know if their club is good instead of joking around with them and thinking about how I'm making them feel as I talk to them. And when I see PUAs with their girls I write posts about how they aren't hot enough for my high standards and how they didn't look cool themselves, because I have such a low and insignificant view of myself that I implicitly think that I couldn't hurt their feelings and even if I did I'd like it because then they'd relate to how I feel. I don't view interactions as a way to make people feel good or to express creativity, but instead as a way to take value so that I don't sink.

I like to criticize things because I don't view myself as having value to offer in any other regard, and I figure being critical is like pole-vaulting off of someone else. When I read the internet I love to write posts like "RTFM!" or "this is not advanced enough for advanced", and it's never occured to me that even if I'm right that cool guys like juggler or toecutter or franco would never waste their lives posting this pointless shit, and I don't realize that these kinds of actions are implicitly reinforcing to my subconscious mind that I'm a chode with nothing substantial to offer..

I like to think I'm being manipulated by paragraphs like the one above, to delude myself that my validation is even worth having a conspiracy to get in the first place. I am fuly convinced that my hater personality is justified and that the world is a fucked up place and that I'm just calling it like I see it. The world conspires against me because I am significant. I always find the negative, and I'm closed off to learning because seeing things as they are would be too painful.

I go out to "sarge" and because of that I'm in a logical state the entire time I'm out.

I don't know how to have a non-logical conversation, because it's outside my comfort zone. When I hang around with community guys, I like to talk game like a nerd scientist.. In fact, when I meet other community guys I talk about GAME because I don't know how to relate to them on non-logical topics.

I am disconnected from reality, so I can't understand what game looks like because even when I see it I can't process it through my chode fog.

I also don't want to try anything new, like keeping track of my eye contact and voice projection and deliberate use of humour and good energy in ALL my interactions, because I'd have to break out of my chode trance and because unless I'm SARGING I don't view it as an interaction to use good social skills in.

I blame the people who should have given me the magic pill I wanted for my failure even though I have not done any of these things..

[jshrk]

Alright, just got back from a night of fun at Tantra. Lets see how much I can get down before I fall asleep...

8:30 - Roll into Bottle Screw Bills and meet Eduardo for the first time. First impressions: solid style, good looking guy, kind of expected a more aggressive personality just from stereotypes... Instead he is fairly laid back with a contagious excitement to learn

9:00 - OilBaron rolls up. Fucking slacker . We all chill and talk about life and game

10:30 - Hit Tantra still shivering from the cold, no line and thats not just because we got a guest list

10:31 - Our group of three just about doubled the number of people in the club

10:40 - After taking a piss and settling in OB opens the first set of the day, nothing special just some warm up. Eduardo and I join in, I am a little in my head at this point and not really flowing and OB is forced to carry the set.

11:00 - See a couple girls walking around in matching leopard print dresses. Jump in front of the leader and put the hands on the hips and stare her down. Set opens up and we vibe. I tease them about being cougars and offer to help them hunt down young boys. Then accuse her of carrying sex toys in her purse and try to search it. I feel much better now.

11:10 - OB and I jump into a booth with two older women, one incredibly dorky looking neither anything special. My girl opens up somewhat, but seemed more flattered that someone was hitting on her than interested. Dorky girl is immediately uncomfortable and runs. We chill and vibe with the shooter girls.

11:50 - (Skipping some sets here, this is getting long) Open up a hyper tall girl by the back bar. She would not stand still. Go for a quick number after teasing her a bit, but as I pulled my phone out she was jumping around and trying to grab my wallet. I retaliate by picking her up with a full ass palm while she IDs me. Announces I am too young for her. OB points out that I am being a little girl and should have pushed through. I head back and after she teases me about being young again, I tease her about being so into me and a total cougar. She is jokingly mad but her friends jump in, damage control with the friends but ADD girl is off. No close.

12:00 - Try to get Eduardo to open dance set. He asks me to demonstrate - I take the challenge and jump in with the previously mentioned leopard girls and their friend. Dance with the target, spin her push her away. Dance with the friend, spin and push her away, all three are laughing, start to leave then grab the last girl and pick her up and toss her around. Good times.

12:10 - Direct open a two set of asian girls. Hit it off with the target immediately with some cold reads and comfort talk. She is obviously enjoying me but still seems uptight. After a bit drag everyone back to the bar and use Brett the bartender for social proof as he gives me a hug and a manly kiss on the cheek. Still good vibe as we talk against the bar. She pops the will you buy me a drink question and I give the "your one of those girls response". she seems a little shocked and says thats the first time anyone ever refused her a drink. Ha ha. After a bit more I go for the number close. A little stunned when she says no - we have a solid connection going. NBD. continue on

12:30 - After chatting with the guys for a bit it is about time to call it a night. I want to go for number closes on leopard girl and asian so I do a quick lap. No leopard girl. Drag asian girl away from her friends on the dance floor, say I am heading out but I think we have a good connection and hand her my phone. Turned down again. NBD. Continue to chat. Go for facebook close. No facebook. WHAT? NO FACEBOOK ACOUNT? Shit. Writing this that seems like bullshit but her look seems to indicate she is still interested. Actually told me that she would be sad not to see me again right before turning down the number again because she is too old. 25 and i am 23.

Anyone have any advice for dealing with Asian girls? I find I have alot of trouble getting them comfortable. They always seem very nervous off the approach and require alot of plowing to get anywhere.

Anyways, a fun night overall.

Ups:
Good state, managed to maintain on a pretty dead night
Stayed persistent for numbers in situations I would have given up much earlier
Lots of flirting with the staff. Getting to know more of the shooter girls and getting plenty of social proof

Downs:
NOT CLOSING. I seriously need more numbers as my next goal is to work on the phone game. This mission will extend into Thursday. Cheers all and goodnight.

[oilbaron4]

Ya good times last night and I honestly CANNOT believe that asian chick didn't give you her number as her body language implied heavy attraction! I tried the number close method you told me on two quite attractive gals and it really went over well:-) PS what were you doin up at 3:41 AM though as i think we left before 1?

[jshrk]

Drinking alone and touching myself while watching Star Wars.

Actually it was posted @ 1:40 lol

[dante]

Too bad I missed it. Was sick. Will definitely try to make it next time!